1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,600 Woohoo! 2 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:02,700 He came back. 3 00:00:02,700 --> 00:00:03,400 Wow. 4 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,600 This time on Chasing UFOs. 5 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,500 Whoa, I'm getting a series of lights right there. 6 00:00:09,500 --> 00:00:13,200 In March 1997, thousands watched what some say 7 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:17,000 was a mysterious craft hovering in the skies above Phoenix. 8 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:18,100 What in the hell is that? 9 00:00:18,100 --> 00:00:21,500 A recently discovered video showing a similar pattern of lights 10 00:00:21,500 --> 00:00:25,700 now has some people of Arizona wondering if they're repeatedly being visited. 11 00:00:25,700 --> 00:00:28,200 You can't see in this! 12 00:00:28,300 --> 00:00:29,600 Tracking down leads. 13 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:35,100 Our team learns of a possible connection to perhaps the most bizarre UFO encounter ever. 14 00:00:35,100 --> 00:00:37,600 Freaking war in the world. 15 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,400 They meet with a man who claims he was abducted on the outskirts of town 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,300 and spent days in an alien craft. 17 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:48,900 Never been back to that place alone. 18 00:00:48,900 --> 00:00:53,800 At the alleged abduction site, the team travels to new heights to reveal the truth. 19 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:56,100 Aaaaaah! 20 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,700 But as their investigation runs into the night, 21 00:00:58,700 --> 00:01:01,200 the team has a frightening encounter of their own. 22 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:02,600 Back to camp! 23 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,400 Go, go! 24 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:04,300 James, come on! 25 00:01:04,300 --> 00:01:07,800 What the f*** is going on? 26 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,300 What we have here is not any earthly craft. 27 00:01:11,300 --> 00:01:12,300 Did you see that? 28 00:01:12,300 --> 00:01:15,100 There's usually a more conventional explanation for unidentified things 29 00:01:15,100 --> 00:01:17,600 that people are seeing if you take the time to look for them. 30 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,300 For the first time in my life, I'm caught believing 31 00:01:20,300 --> 00:01:23,300 that the possibility of UFOs is all too real. 32 00:01:23,300 --> 00:01:25,700 For me to be out here looking for evidence, this is it. 33 00:01:25,700 --> 00:01:26,700 This is what I live for. 34 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:28,700 This is what I've been dreaming about. 35 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:30,700 Oh my God! 36 00:01:30,700 --> 00:01:31,700 Wow! 37 00:01:31,700 --> 00:01:32,700 God! 38 00:01:46,700 --> 00:01:49,700 So James, you have a lot of UFO facts about Arizona, don't you? 39 00:01:49,700 --> 00:01:51,200 Arizona is a hotbed. 40 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,200 Arizona has got some of the most rich history of UFO cases. 41 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:03,200 The 1997 case is referred to commonly as the Phoenix Lights. 42 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,200 I got this one popping over here. 43 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:12,200 What's your take on the Phoenix Lights? 44 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:18,200 My take on the Phoenix Lights, honestly, is that there was a very massive v-craft 45 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,200 that, according to witnesses, was up to a mile across. 46 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,200 Witnessed by hundreds of thousands of people. 47 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,200 I've always been very fascinated by the Phoenix Lights case, 48 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:31,200 but recently what's piqued my curiosity is another video of a very similar craft 49 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,200 taken by a guy named Terry Connick. 50 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,200 I'm looking at the Terry Connick video here. 51 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,200 Oh, this is one of the better triangle videos I think here. 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,200 I don't hear anything from you. 53 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,200 No, I don't hear anything. 54 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,200 What in the hell is that? 55 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,200 So it starts out with one bright object, 56 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,200 and then he pans to the moon, which is pretty cool. 57 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,200 See, right there. 58 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,200 And he pushes on it, and that's when, I mean, you get a few seconds of him 59 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,200 basically filling the frame with the thing. 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:10,200 That does look like an enormous train. 61 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:15,200 Well, I think it's interesting. 62 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:22,200 This was shot 40 miles north of Phoenix, four years prior to the Phoenix Lights. 63 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:27,200 Terry's video footage right off the bat, because it's shaped looks kind of triangular, 64 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,200 immediately reminds me of the Phoenix Lights. 65 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,200 It's another triangle. 66 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:37,200 This, in my view, is one of the better boomerang-shaped UFOs I've ever seen captured on film. 67 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:42,200 Well, I can't say definitively that the Terry Connick video is the same craft that flew over 68 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,200 Phoenix, Arizona in 1997. 69 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:48,200 It's very, very similar, and it could very well be the same object. 70 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,200 You know, to me, it looks like an enormous swept wing. 71 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:54,200 I mean, I think we can all agree that's a very aerodynamic shape. 72 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,200 I have to say, I think Ben is going to try once again and, you know, 73 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,200 conclude that this is something terrestrial. 74 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:05,200 Well, you know, like I always say, it's incredibly hard to get a sense of scale and depth 75 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,200 against a blank night sky or even a blank blue sky. 76 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:13,200 Not everyone who makes these reports has been to air shows or is used to looking at aircraft in the sky. 77 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,200 I told you so. 78 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,200 I'd like to go check it out. 79 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:22,200 Yeah, I mean, for someone to, you know, stop, pull over, grab a camera and start shooting, 80 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,200 that's got to be something totally unusual in the night sky. 81 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,200 Mmm. 82 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:30,200 Ben, are you sleeping? 83 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,200 What? 84 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,200 That's a pretty good question. 85 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,200 We're going to kill us. 86 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,200 Thank you so much for meeting us, Terry. 87 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:46,200 We're just reviewing your video again. 88 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,200 Okay, great. 89 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,200 What can you tell us about it? 90 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,200 How did you film it? How did you come across it? What happened? 91 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:55,200 It was a clear night, not a cloud in the sky, Arizona. 92 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,200 We were driving back from the Grand Canyon. 93 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:06,200 And we happened to see a series of lights just on the horizon. 94 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,200 So I kept looking at it and it got out and had a little video camera. 95 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:22,200 And as it approached me, it became more of a V-pattern. 96 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:26,200 What in the hell is that? 97 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,200 It's another triangle. 98 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:32,200 I've been to countless air shows. I was in the military around jets. 99 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,200 Had there been sound, I would have thought it were aircraft. 100 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,200 We have Sky Harbor Airport, we have Blue Care Force Base, 101 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,200 but there was no noise, not one sound. 102 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:46,200 I don't hear anything to you. 103 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,200 No, I don't hear anything. 104 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,200 There's no sound, and it's not planes flying in formation. 105 00:05:53,200 --> 00:06:00,200 And the V was all white lights, no strobe lights, not amber, not blue. 106 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,200 They were constant white lights. 107 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,200 Based on your experience with aviation, do you think this could have been 108 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,200 what they call airship to orbit? 109 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,200 Very high altitude airships that would have been very big in V-shaped. 110 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:18,200 The flying wing is a wing. It's not a V. This was a V. 111 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,200 I'm talking a V. 112 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,200 So a much sharper angle. 113 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:23,200 Much sharper angle. 114 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,200 And then, correct me if I'm wrong, it went right over your head. 115 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,200 And as it passed over, it was massive in width, 116 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,200 much larger than any aircraft that we know. 117 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:42,200 I would say you could probably put 8 or 10 B-52s wingtip to wingtip. 118 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,200 And how would you compare it to the Phoenix lights that happened in 1997? 119 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,200 The Phoenix lights were very similar to what I saw. 120 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,200 In fact, it was eerie. That resurrected a lot of thoughts in my mind about, 121 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,200 okay, what was this? 122 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:06,200 If it were military, if it were top secret, I can appreciate that and live with that. 123 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,200 It's just that we don't know. 124 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:13,200 Terry's story is extremely compelling. His video is extremely compelling. 125 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:18,200 And it supports the theory that there are these massive, silent, boomerang-shaped, 126 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,200 triangular-shaped craft flying over the state of Arizona. 127 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,200 And my question is, who's flying these things? 128 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,200 I don't know about you guys, but I think Terry's great. 129 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,200 I mean, possibly my favorite witness interview so far. 130 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,200 He was very methodical. 131 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,200 I mean, he said it could have been planes. 132 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,200 It could have been a formation, but it had very weird characteristics for that, 133 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,200 and he's not sure he buys it. 134 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,200 Ben's gonna be a believer. 135 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,200 James, I believe in the truth. 136 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,200 The truth is we're being visited, buddy. 137 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,200 You can't handle the truth. 138 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,200 I definitely agree that it's a triangular-shaped object in the video. 139 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,200 However, that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be extraterrestrial. 140 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,200 It could be experimental military. It could be experimental commercial. 141 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,200 It could even be maybe Flair's information. 142 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,200 It didn't necessarily have to come from space. 143 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,200 So as a scientist, I'm all about proof. 144 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,200 In order to collect proof, you gotta run tests. 145 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,200 One explanation for these lights could be military flares dropped on an exercise. 146 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,200 So, with the help of the Arizona Skyhawks, 147 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:32,200 my plan is to see if the light from Flair's looks anything like what people reported seeing. 148 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,200 Alright, guys, I think we got a battle plan. 149 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,200 So we'll have two observation points toward the jumpers. 150 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,200 I'll radio you guys from above, let you know when we're jumping. 151 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,200 You guys take it from there. 152 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,200 While Ryder is gonna observe from the air, 153 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,200 Ben and I are gonna stay down on the ground and watch from a couple different locations. 154 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:55,200 This test, in my opinion, should clearly demonstrate that what was seen and videotaped by Terry 155 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,200 cannot be confused with Flair's. 156 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,200 Now we just wait till game time. 157 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,200 Ryder for Ben and James, do you copy? 158 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,200 Copy, Ryder. 159 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,200 Go ahead, Ryder. 160 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,200 Hey guys, just wanna let you know we are in the plane and we are taxiing now. 161 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:24,200 Copy that. 162 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:25,200 Got speed, Ryder. 163 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,200 I'll give confirmation once we are in the air. 164 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,200 That's pretty cool. 165 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,200 Filming. 166 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,200 I'm on him right now. 167 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:58,200 Can't believe those guys are gonna free fall into pitch black. 168 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,200 Here they come. 169 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:11,200 This is gonna be cool. 170 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,200 Alright guys, doors are open. 171 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,200 Copy that, man. 172 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,200 Rock and roll. 173 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:21,200 Hold on tight. 174 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,200 Any last words? 175 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:25,200 I already know. 176 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:26,200 Let's go have fun. 177 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:30,200 Now you go ahead and be all the UFO you can be out there. 178 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,200 The Arizona Skyhawks are gonna jump out of an airplane, 179 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:50,200 throw out 10,000 feet with Flair's attached to their legs. 180 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:55,200 It would clearly prove that what was seen over Phoenix can't be associated with Flair's. 181 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:01,200 Alright guys, doors are open. 182 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,200 Copy that, man. 183 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:04,200 Rock and roll. 184 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,200 Hold on tight. 185 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,200 Hold on tight. 186 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:07,200 Hold on tight. 187 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,200 Hold on tight. 188 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:09,200 Hold on tight. 189 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,200 Hold on tight. 190 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:11,200 Copy that, man. 191 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:12,200 Rock and roll. 192 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,200 Hold on tight. 193 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,200 Now you go ahead and be all the UFO you can be out there. 194 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,200 Whoa! 195 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,200 Oh my God, that looks amazing. 196 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,200 The coolest thing I've ever seen. 197 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:41,200 Yeah! 198 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:44,200 Oh my God. 199 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:46,200 Looks like a comet. 200 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,200 You guys see this? 201 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:53,200 Hell yes. 202 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,200 Looks like a comet, falling star, but it definitely doesn't look like any UFO I've heard about. 203 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,200 Freaking war of the worlds. 204 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:08,200 How's that look, boys? 205 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:11,200 This looks like nothing like Terry's video. 206 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,200 I've never seen anything like it ever in my life. 207 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,200 It looks pretty awesome, Ryder. 208 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,200 It's a very cool light show. 209 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,200 I don't know if it ever confused it for a UFO, but I gotta admit, it's well done. 210 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:23,200 Well done. 211 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,200 Well done indeed. 212 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:27,200 Not at all! 213 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:37,200 After our test last night, I'm convinced that these lights people saw in the sky weren't Flair's. 214 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,200 And if they aren't Flair's, then maybe they could be UFO's. 215 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:48,200 So we wanted to meet with Jeff Willis, who's not only famous for the hundreds of UFO videos that he's captured, 216 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:53,200 but also because he has one that's strikingly similar to the triangular shaped crafts people are seeing. 217 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,200 You actually shoot most of the videos here out back, right? 218 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,200 Yeah. 219 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,200 So which one are you showing us right here? 220 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:06,200 Okay, this is shot on May 24th, 2003. 221 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,200 It's what I call a side saucer. 222 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:14,200 Wow! 223 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,200 This is shot on 4.20.2006. 224 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:22,200 This is just in the neighborhood, right here. 225 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,200 Weird. 226 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:32,200 This one is shot on May 12th, 2005. 227 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:36,200 It's gonna start out as four lights. 228 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,200 Whoa, I'm getting a series of lights right there. 229 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:40,200 It's moving. 230 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:41,200 You got it, Pat? 231 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:45,200 Dude, I got five lights going left, just like the Josh thing. 232 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,200 Now, how do we know those aren't Flair's? 233 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,200 Well, Flair's don't really last more than three or four minutes. 234 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:55,200 You know, this whole sighting lasts like seven minutes, and we heard no planes. 235 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:56,200 It was completely silent. 236 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,200 What do you believe? 237 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,200 What do you believe you're seeing in videotaping? 238 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:07,200 Well, that's the whole mystery, is I don't know what I'm seeing. 239 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:09,200 I know it's not normal. 240 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,200 I'm pretty sure it's not government. 241 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:16,200 To be honest with you, that's the whole reason why I'm doing this, 242 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,200 is to try to find out the truth and the answers to this. 243 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,200 James is clearly drinking all these videos in, 244 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,200 but with my background, it's gonna take a lot more for me to conclude 245 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,200 that these things are actually unidentifiable. 246 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,200 There are a lot of mundane objects that are up in the sky, 247 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,200 and we're just not used to seeing them these days. 248 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,200 We spend most of our time looking down, not up. 249 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,200 Jeff told us about a recent sighting that he had not too far from here, 250 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,200 by Thunderbird Mountain, just a few miles north of the city. 251 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,200 He's not only agreed to take us there, 252 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,200 he's gonna hook us up with two expert investigators from the area 253 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,200 to try to track down what's going on in the skies here. 254 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,200 Naturally, chasing UFOs is never easy. 255 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,200 So of course, getting there is gonna be a track. 256 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,200 Okay, well, it looks like we have all the gear set up, 257 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:38,200 so James, myself, and Jeff, we'll head up to the vantage point up here, 258 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:40,200 Thunderbird Mountain. 259 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,200 You guys stay back here, monitor all the cameras, 260 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,200 and let us know if you track anything down. 261 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,200 Yeah, and likewise, you guys, ready to win if you see something, 262 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,200 we'll swing over and get it if we can. 263 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:50,200 Absolutely. 264 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,200 This guy's got a good track record. 265 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,200 Yeah, he does. 266 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,200 Be careful out there, guys. 267 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,200 Okay, we'll keep in touch via walkie. 268 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,200 Yep, good luck. 269 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,200 So, Jeff, how long do you usually have to spend under this nice sky 270 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,200 before you usually catch something? 271 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,200 Well, it just depends. 272 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:16,200 I mean, I spend hundreds of hours sky-watching, 273 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,200 and you spend a lot of time where you've not seen anything. 274 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:20,200 Right. 275 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,200 And then sometimes you get lucky. 276 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,200 But anywhere where you can get out in the desert like this, 277 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,200 where you can get away from the city, 278 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,200 you can pretty much decipher the difference between a plane or a UFO. 279 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,200 But a lot of times, planes look like UFOs, 280 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,200 and tell you to better look at it, so it's misleading. 281 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,200 And sometimes UFOs can look like planes. 282 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:39,200 Exactly. 283 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:40,200 Exactly. 284 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,200 Hey, check that orange light out right there. 285 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,200 Look at that orange light. See that? 286 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,200 Yeah. 287 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,200 Is that the Southwest? 288 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,200 I lost it. 289 00:16:57,200 --> 00:16:59,200 Maybe it went below the horizon. 290 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,200 I'm gonna have to get to the vantage point and get a ring. 291 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,200 Let's get up there quick. 292 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,200 Hurry, we're gonna lose it. 293 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:10,200 There's two of them. 294 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:12,200 Get on it. Come on. 295 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,200 I'm coming, I'm coming. Come on. 296 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,200 I can see it now. 297 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,200 We'll definitely stop them after the military comes in the air. 298 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,200 Hey, look, aquí is a missile! 299 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:54,200 Hey,关 quicker than last time. 300 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,200 All right, we're gonna lose it. 301 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:02,200 Get on it. Come on. 302 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,200 I'm coming. I'm coming. Come on. 303 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,200 Can you see it? 304 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,200 Yeah, I can see it now. 305 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,200 Yeah, look at that. Look at that. I got it. 306 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,200 Oh, oh, oh. What the f*** is that? 307 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,200 And that's the Rainbow Valley where they've been reporting these things. 308 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,200 Oh, f***. Look at the ones in the air above it to the right. 309 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:27,200 Whoa! 310 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,200 You see that? 311 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:29,200 Whoa! 312 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:30,200 That's real. That's it. 313 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,200 Call him. Call him. Call him. Tell him to turn around. 314 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,200 Ben, we got something off. We got a red orb. 315 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,200 It's off to your east. 316 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,200 Directly in about 30 degrees off the horizon. 317 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,200 40 degrees off the horizon. Get on it. 318 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,200 Copy that, James. 319 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:48,200 Whoa, look at this. 320 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,200 James, I can't be working the camera and talking to you at the same time. 321 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:54,200 Look, look. 322 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,200 I'm watching it. I'm watching it. 323 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,200 Don't touch it. Don't touch it. 324 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,200 That's f***ing unusual, guys. 325 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,200 We're looking at a Chinese lantern. Over. 326 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,200 Oh. 327 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,200 We're f***ing out of here. 328 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,200 We're out of here. 329 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,200 We're out of here. 330 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,200 We're out of here. 331 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:13,200 We're out of here. 332 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:14,200 We're out of here. 333 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:15,200 We're out of here. 334 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:16,200 We're out of here. 335 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,200 Oh, f***ing mess. 336 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:19,200 You're f***ing kidding me. 337 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:20,200 Really? 338 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,200 It is amazing, but I was able to push right in on it. Over. 339 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,200 Copy that. Oh, my God. That was good. 340 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,200 We're like watching someone's like fiesta cantina. 341 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,200 I've honestly never seen anything like this before. 342 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:37,200 It's f***ing crazy. 343 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:41,200 I think the last time I saw the Chinese lantern was in Karate Kid 2. 344 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,200 Sweep the leg then. Sweep the leg. 345 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,200 10-4. 346 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:58,200 If everybody had lenses like this, you would reduce the amount of UFO reports by like 90%. 347 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,200 Goldmine. I mean, we hit pay-der with Jeff Willis. 348 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:15,200 I think last night was a really important lesson for us because it demonstrates that in most cases, 349 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:20,200 there really is a more terrestrial explanation for the UFOs that people are seeing up in the sky. 350 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:29,200 So our next step, we're going to meet up with an infamous man who alleges he actually had a close encounter. 351 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:37,200 His story is so well known, it was actually made into the 1993 movie Fire in the Sky. 352 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,200 We are well on our way to see Mr. Walton. 353 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,200 We're going to meet a man named Travis Walton who claims that in 1975, 354 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,200 he was abducted by aliens while logging deep in the forest. 355 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,200 I love it when people say it was very unique. 356 00:20:58,200 --> 00:20:59,200 What's that? 357 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,200 Meteor crater. 358 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:01,200 Two miles. 359 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:02,200 Can you see a meteor crater? 360 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,200 Can we get a meteor? 361 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,200 Can we see meteor? 362 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:06,200 Can we get a meteor? 363 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:07,200 No, no, I've been there. 364 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:08,200 I'm serious, you guys. 365 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,200 This is one of the geologists. 366 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,200 This is one of the meteor craters. 367 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,200 So you're saying this is real ET? 368 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,200 Yes! 369 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,200 Oh my gosh. 370 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,200 Wow. 371 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,200 Oh my god. 372 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,200 This is an extraterrestrial impact site, confirmed. 373 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:28,200 You want to talk about ET? 374 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:29,200 Right there. 375 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:32,200 Where? 376 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:33,200 Right there, you're looking at it. 377 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,200 Well, not as exciting as a crash site. 378 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,200 Come on, this is just a little bit of a mess. 379 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,200 This is just like Michael Bay stuff. 380 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,200 This is cataclysmic. 381 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,200 So Ryder and James want to see an actual extraterrestrial crash site. 382 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,200 Well, I just brought them to one. 383 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:52,200 About 50,000 years ago, an asteroid approximately 100 feet wide 384 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,200 slammed into the earth at about 26,000 miles an hour 385 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,200 and carved out a crater 500 feet deep. 386 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,200 That's an extraterrestrial crash site. 387 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,200 It actually happened here. 388 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,200 Proving. 389 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,200 Hi guys, let's blow this hole. 390 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,200 We're not done, are we? 391 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,200 All right, well, I think you still have about two hours left. 392 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,200 Yeah. 393 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,200 No more pit stops. 394 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,200 Ryder's at the wheel, and she suddenly has this, like, you know, 395 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,200 idea that she wants to go off-road and take the shortcut. 396 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,200 You guys ready to do a little off-roading? 397 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,200 James, hold on to Ben. 398 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,200 This is a little rougher than I expected. 399 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,200 Fuck. 400 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,200 I was hoping to open that ditch on the left. 401 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,200 Like, we drop in it, we're done. 402 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,200 Get that fucking gas pedal, don't let up. 403 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,200 Hey, honey. Hey, honey. 404 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,200 And we hit the ditch on the left. 405 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,200 This thing's in full drive, right? 406 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,200 We don't have full drive. 407 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,200 You're kidding me. You're kidding me. 408 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,200 It was like, okay, and we're stuck. 409 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,200 Well, you could see where I was trying to go. 410 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:11,200 It was chaotic. 411 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,200 Don't go backwards. 412 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,200 There was a slim chance the real wheel would go up the mound 413 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,200 and then flip the dole, damn thing over. 414 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:19,200 So what happens? 415 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,200 Now we gotta work out how to get her ass over here. 416 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,200 What happens if you just crank the tires and back up, 417 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,200 up the hill right here in this crash? 418 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,200 You can just, the whole left side. 419 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,200 It's a rental. 420 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,200 I mean, we got full coverage, right? 421 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,200 Like always, it seems James and I have two completely 422 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:35,200 opposite perspectives on the situation. 423 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,200 If we can fill this all the way up, 424 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,200 so we've got a ramp to get a momentum 425 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,200 and then we'll cut across, that is not gonna work. 426 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,200 Whoa, whoa, whoa. 427 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,200 Don't you dare tell the geologists what rocks to use. 428 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,200 See what it does. James, go here. 429 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,200 All right, all right. 430 00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,200 I'll put $1,000 on it. You're dead wrong. 431 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,200 Go, go, go, go, go, go. 432 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,200 Up, up, all right. Didn't quite make it. 433 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,200 It's okay. Stop. Just hold on a second. 434 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,200 Turn it just a little bit more. 435 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,200 Keep it closer to the edge. 436 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,200 That's why I said you need to straighten it out 437 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,200 and pull up a little bit. Aaron. 438 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,200 For that one, if we do off-roading, 439 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,200 it needs to be a 4x4. 440 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,200 How the f*** do we do that? 441 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,200 All right. 442 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,200 Oh, my God. 443 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,200 Look at where we were. 444 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,200 Let's go and get some UFOs. 445 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,200 Let's go meet Travis Walton. 446 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,200 Hey, let's take the long way this time. 447 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:23,200 Yay, that's good. 448 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,200 Maybe no shortcut. 449 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,200 I don't want to get anywhere so fast. 450 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,200 Put this baby in gear and let's roll. 451 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,200 Oh, my God. 452 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,200 But seriously, for me, you guys, 453 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:38,200 this is like the equivalent of Ben, 454 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,200 you meaning Neil Armstrong. 455 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,200 This guy is like the top three 456 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,200 close encounters of the third kind, 457 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,200 in my view, in the world. 458 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,200 The Travis Walton case is one of the best 459 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,200 alleged alien abduction cases in existence. 460 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,200 You've got seven witnesses, 461 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,200 the disappearance of a guy for five days. 462 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,200 I can't wait to talk to him. 463 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,200 So, uh, we were hoping we could kind of, 464 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,200 you know, kind of go over what happened 465 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,200 back in 1975. 466 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:15,200 Well, it was a sunny fall workday. 467 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,200 We'd finished up work 468 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:17,200 and we put in a pretty long day 469 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,200 so the sun had gone down. 470 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,200 And we were headed out of there. 471 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,200 We hadn't gone too far when we caught 472 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,200 sight of some little glimmers of light 473 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,200 through the trees. 474 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:38,200 At first it wasn't all that alarming, 475 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,200 but the longer I looked, 476 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,200 the more it didn't seem right. 477 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,200 One by one, everybody kind of fell silent. 478 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,200 Boom, there it was. 479 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,200 It was just unmistakable. 480 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,200 It was the most incredible thing. 481 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,200 What did it look like? 482 00:25:58,200 --> 00:25:59,200 Can you describe it? 483 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,200 Well, it looked like two, uh, 484 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,200 pie pans, but, you know, 485 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,200 lip to lip with a little dome on top, 486 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,200 about as tall as this first tree 487 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,200 and about as far away as that second tree. 488 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,200 And, uh, parts of it were metallic 489 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,200 and parts of it were glowy. 490 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:19,200 You know, I was just really awestruck. 491 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,200 It was just so smooth and powerful, 492 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,200 see me, you know? 493 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,200 I threw open the door, 494 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:26,200 right as we stopped. 495 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,200 I was thinking that it would be gone 496 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,200 before I got very close. 497 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,200 The guys in the truck there 498 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,200 saying, get the hell out of there and... 499 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,200 Travis! 500 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,200 This blast of energy 501 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,200 came down out of the bottom of that craft. 502 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,200 It was so powerful. 503 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,200 It was like a physical blow. 504 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:50,200 It hit me in the head and chest. 505 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,200 They immediately started yelling at each other, 506 00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,200 he's dead, it's killing, let's go, go. 507 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:58,200 And they said they just panicked and took off. 508 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,200 It was just kind of tingling 509 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,200 and sort of numbing at the same time. 510 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,200 When I woke up, I was in a lot of pain, 511 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,200 and I started, you know, 512 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,200 wondering where the heck I was. 513 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,200 I could hear the sounds of movement around me, 514 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,200 and I took that to be medical people. 515 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,200 And so when I first laid eyes on this... 516 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,200 being, 517 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,200 I was looking into the face of this creature. 518 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,200 I'm looking. 519 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,200 Sit down, I'm looking at something. 520 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,200 Go get my tripod. 521 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,200 And so when I first laid eyes on this... 522 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,200 being, you know, I was looking into the face of this creature. 523 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,200 And what a shock. 524 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:57,200 Yeah, yeah, it was... 525 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,200 that was probably the thing that dominated my nightmares. 526 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,200 Next thing on, I'm waking up beside the highway. 527 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,200 I've never been back to that place alone. 528 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,200 I know it's difficult. 529 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,200 Would you be willing to come back with us 530 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,200 and help us perform a physical survey? 531 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:34,200 Yeah, I'll go there with you. 532 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,200 I'm not going by myself. 533 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,200 Of course not. 534 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,200 Yeah, we could check it out. 535 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,200 This is one of the most amazing cases on record. 536 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,200 I absolutely believed he was abducted. 537 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,200 No question in my mind. 538 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,200 I can neither confirm nor deny Travis's story. 539 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,200 There's just not enough data to go either way right now. 540 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,200 And in order for me to start to entertain 541 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,200 that this actually happened, 542 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,200 I've got to find some more physical evidence. 543 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,200 Now our quest takes us to the abduction site 544 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,200 to try to collect any evidence at all 545 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,200 to prove if this was extraterrestrial or not. 546 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:13,200 After our last off-road debacle, 547 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,200 we're not taking any chances 548 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,200 as we travel to this alleged abduction site. 549 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,200 So I enlisted some help. 550 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,200 The Navajo search and rescue team. 551 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,200 I figure their six by six is a little better 552 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,200 than our two-wheel drive. 553 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,200 Ready to go! 554 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,200 The location of this alleged abduction 555 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,200 is 30 miles up a logging road 556 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,200 in Sieggrieff's National Forest. 557 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,200 Is this the road where the guys split? 558 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,200 Yeah, they took off on this road right here. 559 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,200 Yeah. 560 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,200 Have there been any recent sightings in this area? 561 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,200 I hear it all the time, you know. 562 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:57,200 On the way to the site, 563 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,200 Travis told us something really interesting, 564 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,200 which is that he believes in the area 565 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,200 where this was alleged to have occurred, 566 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,200 the trees experienced some sort of accelerated growth. 567 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,200 So that's something you could definitely test for. 568 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,200 This is it. This is the spot. 569 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,200 You guys, we're at the location. 570 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,200 Travis found it. 571 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,200 Let's get Corrin. 572 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,200 Just by measuring these rings, 573 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,200 we can determine how fast or slow a tree grew 574 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,200 in a given amount of time. 575 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,200 So what we're going to do is take some tree samples 576 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,200 to help us determine if there's any unusual growth patterns 577 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,200 in this area. 578 00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,200 Let's go. 579 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,200 This is kind of eerie being here. 580 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,200 It's past this uprooted tree here. 581 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,200 So the craft was hovering right here. 582 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,200 That beam of light came down. 583 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,200 It could have affected theoretically this entire area. 584 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,200 Yeah. 585 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,200 I think what we need is a tree core sample 586 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,200 from right here, the center of the abduction site. 587 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,200 What about this one over here? 588 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,200 I don't know. Check it. 589 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,200 Timber! 590 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,200 Solid. 591 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,200 Wow, look at that. 592 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,200 It looks like it was steady state from the time it grew, 593 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,200 and then 15 years of growth spur that kind of faded away. 594 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,200 While we can't definitively link this abnormality 595 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,200 with the UFO encounter, 596 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,200 this certainly raises serious questions 597 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,200 as to what caused this growth spur. 598 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,200 I'm taking a 360-degree panoramic topographical survey 599 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,200 of Travis Walton's site, 600 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,200 and what that will enable us to do is we can mark 601 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,200 specifically the location of where we take samples, 602 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,200 and if there is an accelerated growth in the trees in the area, 603 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,200 we're going to be able to map it 604 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,200 and maybe help us piece this puzzle together. 605 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,200 It's important to collect samples from way up high 606 00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,200 so we can test for any evidence at all that a UFO hovered here. 607 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,200 It's the first branch. 608 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,200 Oh, Jesus. 609 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,200 No! 610 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,200 I can't clip in. No. 611 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,200 I don't know if I can do it. 612 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,200 Oh, my God. 613 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,200 Watch out. 614 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,200 Look, dude. Pat, you got it? 615 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,200 I see him. 616 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,200 What did I get myself into? 617 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:01,200 No. 618 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,200 I can't clip in. 619 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,200 No. 620 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,200 I don't know if I can do it. 621 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,200 Oh, my God. 622 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,200 Holy crap. 623 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,200 Ben! 624 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,200 Ryder. 625 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,200 No. 626 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:20,200 Leave your breath. 627 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:21,200 Ah! 628 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,200 I'm losing my crap. 629 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,200 What can I do from here? 630 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,200 Help! 631 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,200 Just a little farther. 632 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,200 You can't... to the other way. 633 00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,200 Oh, my God. 634 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,200 All right. 635 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,200 I'm in position. 636 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,200 It was smooth sailing from the run-out. 637 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,200 Ah! 638 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,200 Crap! 639 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,200 Well, almost. 640 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,200 Timber. 641 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,200 Oh, my God. I'm going to kill myself. 642 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,200 I hope I'm making this look really easy. 643 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,200 You are. 644 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:02,200 Timber! 645 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,200 Oh, no! 646 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,200 I was born up in that tree. 647 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,200 I think you could tell. 648 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,200 Oh, my God. 649 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,200 Horse food! 650 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,200 Crap! 651 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,200 Mother effort! 652 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,200 Okay. Maybe a few minor setbacks. 653 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,200 I got you. 654 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,200 Good job. 655 00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:23,200 Thanks. 656 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,200 Home free. 657 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:25,200 My hands are shaking. 658 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,200 Take a break. 659 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,200 I've got a really cool discovery over here, guys. 660 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:34,200 Please reveal. 661 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,200 Check this out. 662 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,200 Travis and I found this tree, 663 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,200 which was present at the time of his sighting, 664 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,200 which means something caused accelerated growth 665 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,200 in this tree after his experience. 666 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,200 Listen, this man's a logger. 667 00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:49,200 I'm not. 668 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,200 But he seems to think that this verifies his claim 669 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,200 that there was one time a UFO floating above the forest here. 670 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:56,200 Maybe there's something to this. 671 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,200 I appreciate all your help today, Travis. 672 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,200 It's been an adventure. 673 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:02,200 Bringing Travis Walton to the exact location 674 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,200 of this alleged abduction was traumatic for him. 675 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:09,200 As night fell, I could see him getting progressively anxious, 676 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,200 and he decided to go home. 677 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,200 With the level of effort it took for us to get to this location 678 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,200 and reports of other strange activity out here, 679 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,200 we'd be fools to leave now. 680 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,200 All right, we're all set for the night, Eric. 681 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,200 We gotta thank you guys for helping us get up here. 682 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,200 Yeah. 683 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,200 It's such a relief to know we have a search and rescue crew 684 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,200 standing by. 685 00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:33,200 Thank you very much. 686 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,200 What do you think about it out here tonight? 687 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,200 It's a little eerie. 688 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,200 Well, I tell you what, I don't like being out here at night. 689 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,200 Really? 690 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,200 So you say this area in particular is like a hotspot? 691 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,200 Oh, yeah, definitely. 692 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,200 I'd say within a 20-mile radius all around here 693 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,200 is very active with lights in the skies. 694 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,200 Like unidentified flying objects? 695 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,200 Yes. 696 00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:58,200 It's out there, man. 697 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,200 All right. 698 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:00,200 We'll scream if we need you. 699 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,200 All right, thank you. 700 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,200 Well, you guys, I'd like to go back to the site. 701 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,200 Check it out. 702 00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,200 We'll do a perimeter sweep, cover some of the area 703 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,200 that we didn't walk today. 704 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,200 Okay, all right, guys. 705 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,200 All right, so it's fantastic. 706 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,200 All right, eyes in the skies. 707 00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:15,200 All right. 708 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,200 What do you think about Travis's story now 709 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:29,200 that we've been out here? 710 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,200 Like always, extraordinary claims, extraordinary evidence. 711 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,200 The jury's still out for me. 712 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,200 How about you? 713 00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,200 I have to be honest, when I interviewed him, 714 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,200 it's something about the details of the story 715 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,200 that there were so many. 716 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,200 It almost felt like too many. 717 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,200 Another orgy of evidence? 718 00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,200 That had me kind of questioning things, 719 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,200 but when we came out here, I mean, he had a strong reaction 720 00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,200 to finding the location and coming out here. 721 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,200 Something happened out here, that's for sure. 722 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:10,200 Wow. 723 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,200 If I was here 35 years ago, 724 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,200 I'd see something completely out of this world. 725 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,200 It's incredible. 726 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:28,200 I can't believe I'm actually at the most famous 727 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,200 abduction cases ever. 728 00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,200 Travis Walton, fire in the sky. 729 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,200 This is approaching the road where the truck stopped, 730 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,200 and he got out. 731 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:49,200 The UFO would have been hovering a little bit to the north, 732 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,200 which is this way. 733 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,200 I am approaching ground zero right now. 734 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,200 Probably ground zero right here. 735 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,200 Right where the flying saucer was hovering. 736 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,200 He said it was a little clearing, 737 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:17,200 and the road is just down over there. 738 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,200 Right now, it's covered in snow, 739 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,200 and there's some new growth over the area, 740 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,200 but this is... 741 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,200 where the truck would have been driving from. 742 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,200 So I'm standing on a tree stump here that was cut 743 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:45,200 probably just before Travis was here, 744 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,200 and I'm gonna see if I can just kind of observe the night sky. 745 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,200 I'm gonna go to the right. 746 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,200 Rider for James. 747 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,200 Copywriter, I'm here. 748 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,200 I'm hearing something in the woods that sounds like gunshots. 749 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,200 Do you hear the same thing I heard? 750 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,200 I absolutely heard the same thing you heard, 751 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,200 but it just sounds so close. 752 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,200 It does sound close. 753 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,200 I need to say it, but I think it's best for us to stick together 754 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,200 the rest of the night. 755 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,200 Stay put. Ben and I will make our way over to you. 756 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,200 Copy that. 757 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,200 It gets really deep through here. Careful. 758 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,200 James. 759 00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:58,200 Hey. 760 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,200 Hey, what's going on, guys? 761 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,200 I mapped out the log in road where the truck stopped. 762 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,200 Ground zero, some of the trees most likely affected 763 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,200 according to Travis. 764 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,200 Look over there. Jesus Christ. 765 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:10,200 What? 766 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,200 You guys, you guys, you guys. 767 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,200 What? 768 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,200 Come on, someone saw that. 769 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:18,200 What? 770 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,200 I just looked at it. It looked like one blue light 771 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,200 spreads out to three. 772 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,200 Down. Straight down. 773 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,200 I can't see anything out there right now. 774 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,200 James, I thought you would help me out here. 775 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,200 Hey, I'm doing the best I can, 776 00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,200 but I can't make a UFO appear, man. 777 00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,200 I don't know. That was weird. 778 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,200 That was really strange. Honest. 779 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,200 No, why don't we shut up the tripod 780 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,200 and look in that general direction a little bit? 781 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,200 That's what I'm doing. Yeah. 782 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,200 It's highly doubtful that what I saw is going to come back, 783 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,200 but I'm going to be ready this time. 784 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,200 Let's see what we can see over there. 785 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,200 Come on, Arizona. Show me something. 786 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,200 Back to camp! 787 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,200 Go, go, base camp. Go. 788 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,200 What? 789 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,200 James, come on. 790 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,200 Dude, I'm coming, man. 791 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,200 Come on, let's go! 792 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,200 What the f*** is going on? 793 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:27,200 James, it was coming towards me. 794 00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,200 I was watching it come this way, and then it's coming down. 795 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:33,200 Dude, whatever it is, it ain't flying normal. 796 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,200 Back to camp! 797 00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,200 Go, go, base camp. Go. 798 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,200 What? 799 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:47,200 James, come on. 800 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,200 Dude, I'm coming, man. 801 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,200 What the f*** is going on? 802 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,200 Rescue, just screw it and get the f*** back to base camp. 803 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,200 What the hell was that? 804 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,200 Hey, man. Hey, guys. What's going on, Eric? 805 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,200 There's a bear outside the camp here. 806 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,200 Searching around, I can hear it. 807 00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:10,200 We talking about a big black bear? 808 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,200 Yeah. Can they be aggressive? 809 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,200 Yes, they can, especially a sal with cubs. 810 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,200 I'd say let's get packed up and get out as soon as we can 811 00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,200 so we don't disturb her. 812 00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,200 Holy f***! 813 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,200 I'm kind of a badass. 814 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,200 I would have stuck it out out there. 815 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,200 Ben and James, not so much. 816 00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,200 After a short trip home, 817 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,200 we reconvened to analyze all of our evidence. 818 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,200 Well, yeah, let's talk about, you know, 819 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,200 the triangular-shaped craft or the boomerang-shaped craft 820 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,200 that people are seeing over the skies of Arizona. 821 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,200 Yeah, it clearly looks like a triangular-shaped aircraft 822 00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:44,200 of some kind. 823 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,200 I don't know that I could rule out planes flying in time 824 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,200 or flying in time, but I'm not sure. 825 00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,200 I'm not sure. 826 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,200 I don't know that I could rule out planes flying in time 827 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,200 or formation. 828 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,200 I do think that Terry Connick captured 829 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,200 a triangular-shaped craft on his video, 830 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,200 but that doesn't necessarily mean it had to be 831 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,200 extraterrestrial. 832 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,200 It could have been maybe a B-2 833 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,200 or some experimental craft. 834 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,200 I don't think that we ruled those out. 835 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,200 This is the skydiver test we did. 836 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,200 This is just a little bit of the footage. 837 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,200 It was awesome, 838 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,200 but, yeah, clearly not a real UFO 839 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,200 or what people saw in the night sky 840 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,200 on March of 1997. 841 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,200 What we wanted to show was 842 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,200 the descent that they make. 843 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,200 Flares don't move horizontal through the sky. 844 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,200 You can't look at the footage that we shot 845 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:32,200 of the flares and compare it to what these people captured 846 00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,200 and tell me that that's the same thing. 847 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,200 And Phoenix Lights isn't the only 848 00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,200 really, you know, strange occurrence 849 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,200 that happened in Arizona. 850 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,200 Obviously, also famed for the Travis Walton case. 851 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,200 So, the craft was hovering right here. 852 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,200 That beam of light came down. 853 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:50,200 It could have affected, theoretically, 854 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,200 this entire area. 855 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:54,200 Travis took 856 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,200 core samples of a tree 857 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,200 and right around, ironically, the time of the sighting, 1975, 858 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:00,200 there is 859 00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,200 a serious change in the ring growth. 860 00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:04,200 The tree grows four, five, six times 861 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,200 faster. 862 00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,200 And what you see is the difference in sizes. 863 00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,200 It's quite dramatic, 864 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,200 but what we haven't ruled out are environmental factors. 865 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,200 Based on my initial review 866 00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,200 of the 360 panoramic scan, 867 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,200 nothing immediately jumped out at me 868 00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:20,200 as demonstrating, you know, 869 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,200 an area of really accelerated growth at the sight. 870 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,200 I do think that UFOs 871 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:28,200 are flying around Arizona. 872 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,200 But I don't believe 873 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,200 that they're coming from outer space. 874 00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,200 If everybody had lenses like this, 875 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,200 you would reduce the amount of UFO reports 876 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,200 by, like, 90%. 877 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,200 I don't think it's a coincidence that in the desert southwest 878 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,200 you have two spaceports. 879 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,200 You've got multiple aircraft military test ranges. 880 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,200 And I think that 881 00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,200 the idea that you've got some sort of experimental 882 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,200 or larger-scale aircraft 883 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,200 than something that had to come from outer space.